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| How do you imagine implementation of such laws? Where you will deport a person who is of mixed origin? |
I will let him choose the destination himself or roll the dice for him. 
At least a percentage will be deported the rest will calm down. |
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Kelly2
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I am sorry this is long. I wanted to be complete so everyone can understand.
Please do not respond or attack if you do not read it all.
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But what prejudice you experience?
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I'm a french Canadian. But not from Montreal or Quebec city. Montreal is 18 hours by car, so my dialect is very different.
I am white, but I am also 1m80 tall. (6ft)... So, I do not look like a standard "true french woman."
As for the prejudice I have experienced.
First the language.
People hear me talk, assume I am not french; 25% ignore me, the rest commence to bark english at me. (I am thankful my mother made me study english)
Second the paperwork.
This is where all immigrants experience the bulk of it.
We are asked to supply answers and proof to all kinds of questions. Fail to fill in a blank and you can not proceed.
It took me 6 months to get a bank account. Some places outright said that it could not be done. Finally an attorney helped make it happen, but not without 8000 euro security and documents from my account in good standing in my home country. I had to prove my money was not "black" and not borrowed, and I cannot touch it again until after the account has been closed.
I am fortunate because Canada is a country where France recognizes the banking system. Many poorer nations do not have this option. But then again, they don't have the money to "secure" the account either.
(But what makes angry is I made friends with a girl from Montreal. She received bank account in 30 minutes. In one of the banks I had already tried. She has a "recognized" accent and dialect and is only 1m55).
Getting an apartment was were I experienced the next prejudice.
People would not rent to me. I would call and the apartment was always Un-available. But when my friend called, immediately afterwards, it was ALWAYS available for viewing. In the end a friend took me around and did the talking, but he says I still pay 50 euro more than I should each month.
It has been worse for my husband who is only half French Canadien. His dialect is Acadien and he does not even have a French last name.
I can list many incidents but fortunately they are more annoying for us than problematic. For a person with dark skin it must be much more difficult. And I have seen them being harrassed or rudely pushed aside on many occassions.I can not image being born here and still having to suffer this.
Do not ever forget that the true French have a way of "not seeing" anything they don't want to see or like. There is no official segregation in France and Rosa Parks wouldn't have made an impact because many of the "vrai Francais, prefer to drive or take a taxi cab.
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| Can you please point to links of those articles? |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4405790.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399748.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4395934.stm |
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Kelly2
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 The biggest culprits are all those politicians who have brought into my beautiful country all these hordes of non-European immigrants. The true goal of this immigration is to replace the native French population who has a low birth rate by all these blacks and Muslims. This has nothing to do with unemployment and poverty; it is blackmail, an attempt to gain more power against the French and turn the country, my country into a dump for the Third World. White peoples are on their way to extinction if things go on like this. We cannot compete with big families from outside Europe coming here to reproduce like rabbits. I blame all the so-called mainstream politicians in the Western world for orchestrating the massive arrival of foreigners we never wanted in the first place; the white race ("European") is not reproducing itself. Look at Canadians and Americans: their countries are based on the destruction of Native Peoples. Multiculturalism is a destructive idea: it means less and less for the natives. These politicians have all pursued this madness, they have an agenda: the extermination of the old Celtic tribes native to Europe. France should be for the French, Iraq for the Iraqis, etc... Population replacement, a WHITE genocide is happening all over the Western world. Do White peoples have enough guts to defend their countries? We have hair and eye colours no other race has. It does not mean superiority, it means we are more "fragile". Yes, it is a race issue, I mean, will the Europeans everywhere in the world survive this demographic aggression of unprecedented scale? Blame the politicians who made it easier and easier to migrate into the belly of Europe, blame the voters for not seeing the truth. I am unemployed and I do not burn cars. I offer my sympathy to my suffering compatriots. You can contact me: tellthetruthtoeveryone@yahoo.com |
I like your email address. "Tell the Truth to Everyone."
You see I'm from North America and we tend to not call it the "Truth" but a meeting of the Klu Klux Klan. |
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kittykate1993
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I agree with Kelly. The prejudice is just as bad as the violence.
I don't advocate what is happening around Paris, I think there are always ways to resolve problems without setting your own neighborhood on fire. But at the same time the war against people that look or talk " different" is something that any government of any county should be ashamed of.
True: there are gangs that are cruel and violent and they make no distinction whom to kill or still from. Those should be put in jail or persecuted at the full extend of the law. But there are also many immigrants who live in France who are honest and hardworking. All that separates them from their neighbors is the color of their skin or an accent. My girlfriend lives in Paris, she is WHITE, BLOND 164 cm (5'5") but she speaks with an accent, and she has told me the same stories of discrimination and racial profiling.
I also have a friend in US who has been forced to live his job when his boss found out about his Arabic origin. The guy is the most decent and hard working humanbeing I have even met!
The real truth is that every nation and every religion has plenty of violence and dark spots on it's history. You can't judge all by the actions of the lowest scummiest representatives of the culture.
I hope the violence around Paris stops and those who really are oppressed will get better chances to succeed in French society through the new laws and regulations. I also hope that immigration process would become such that France brings only educated and wishing to work people into it's borders. After all, if you want to live in a civilized society, you need to contribute to it not just demand that things are handed to you on a silver plate. |
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I have little experience with French culture, but I have many French-speaking friends that have told me that Parisians are extremely xenophobic (Afraid of people that are not like them). I think the examples of prejudice because of height and accent? I'm a college student in America and have all kinds of nationalities from every continent except Antarctica. There's a Nigerian on our women's basketball team. One of my best friends is of Indian descent. My first-year roommate was partly Native American.
What is happening right now can be backlash against the prejudice that Parisians have used against immigrants. In physics, Newton's Third Law is to every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. These riots are the reaction. What can the French government do? I believe the curfew is a good idea. I also think that the French people need to take a very long and objective look at their society's attitudes towards immigrants and foreigners.
I also think that this is a wake-up call for other countries to look at their own immigrant populations and how they feel they are being treated. Will riots like these erupt in Germany, Russia, or Italy? Only if they do not learn the lessons that Paris is having burned into it's awareness. It's time for everyone to look at how they treat others and ask themselves if that is how they would like to be treated. |
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| Gauloise, stop trolling for controversy and trouble. If you truly believe that hateful tripe, you need to see a psychiatrist. |
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VaBank
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Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Kelly2 wrote: |
I am sorry this is long. I wanted to be complete so everyone can understand.
Please do not respond or attack if you do not read it all.
| VaBank wrote: |
But what prejudice you experience?
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I'm a french Canadian. But not from Montreal or Quebec city. Montreal is 18 hours by car, so my dialect is very different.
I am white, but I am also 1m80 tall. (6ft)... So, I do not look like a standard "true french woman."
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But isn't it an advantage rather than disadvantage? 
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As for the prejudice I have experienced.
First the language.
People hear me talk, assume I am not french; 25% ignore me, the rest commence to bark english at me. |
I think it's not because they wish to do discrimination, for me for example it is also difficult to talk with people with unusual accent in my own language and it's not because I don't like those people. Also I experienced same thing - when I was talking in foreign language people often tried to change language because it was difficult to understand me.
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(I am thankful my mother made me study english)
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Isn't it obligatory in Canada to know 2 languages french and english?
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Second the paperwork.
This is where all immigrants experience the bulk of it.
We are asked to supply answers and proof to all kinds of questions. Fail to fill in a blank and you can not proceed.
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Do you think that there are few international criminals? If not by paperwork how can a bank protect from them?
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It took me 6 months to get a bank account. Some places outright said that it could not be done. Finally an attorney helped make it happen, but not without 8000 euro security and documents from my account in good standing in my home country. I had to prove my money was not "black" and not borrowed, and I cannot touch it again until after the account has been closed.
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French bureaucratic system is legendary, but what you want from country which introduced this word?
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I am fortunate because Canada is a country where France recognizes the banking system. Many poorer nations do not have this option. But then again, they don't have the money to "secure" the account either.
(But what makes angry is I made friends with a girl from Montreal. She received bank account in 30 minutes. In one of the banks I had already tried. She has a "recognized" accent and dialect and is only 1m55).
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Similar thing is in US with credit history, some of my immigrant friends told me that to have credit history you have to return credits and to have those credits to return you have to have credit history and it also is solvable only with big sum of money to place as deposit.
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Getting an apartment was were I experienced the next prejudice.
People would not rent to me. I would call and the apartment was always Un-available. But when my friend called, immediately afterwards, it was ALWAYS available for viewing. In the end a friend took me around and did the talking, but he says I still pay 50 euro more than I should each month.
It has been worse for my husband who is only half French Canadien. His dialect is Acadien and he does not even have a French last name.
I can list many incidents but fortunately they are more annoying for us than problematic. For a person with dark skin it must be much more difficult. And I have seen them being harrassed or rudely pushed aside on many occassions.I can not image being born here and still having to suffer this.
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I think it's just a difference in culture, may be they think that you are too "American"?
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Do not ever forget that the true French have a way of "not seeing" anything they don't want to see or like. There is no official segregation in France and Rosa Parks wouldn't have made an impact because many of the "vrai Francais, prefer to drive or take a taxi cab.
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What are Rosa Parks? |
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Breckenridge_Realtor
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| VaBank wrote: |
| What are Rosa Parks? |
What is bliss? |
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| I've seen in news that there are more riots in Paris. Is it now safe to come to Paris? |
yes this is a hard topic but france right now the roits are esing and if you don't get into it it will be fine |
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| You see I'm from North America and we tend to not call it the "Truth" but a meeting of the Klu Klux Klan.[/b] |
Woah. I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in the U.S., people who tell the truth tend to be called liberals, not the KKK. Enough of us are educated to know the difference between vile evil like the KKK as opposed to people who want to start an honest discussion on race and prejudice. |
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| VaBank wrote: |
| Kelly2 wrote: |
I am sorry this is long. I wanted to be complete so everyone can understand.
Please do not respond or attack if you do not read it all.
| VaBank wrote: |
But what prejudice you experience?
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I'm a french Canadian. But not from Montreal or Quebec city. Montreal is 18 hours by car, so my dialect is very different.
I am white, but I am also 1m80 tall. (6ft)... So, I do not look like a standard "true french woman."
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But isn't it an advantage rather than disadvantage?
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As for the prejudice I have experienced.
First the language.
People hear me talk, assume I am not french; 25% ignore me, the rest commence to bark english at me. |
I think it's not because they wish to do discrimination, for me for example it is also difficult to talk with people with unusual accent in my own language and it's not because I don't like those people. Also I experienced same thing - when I was talking in foreign language people often tried to change language because it was difficult to understand me.
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(I am thankful my mother made me study english)
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Isn't it obligatory in Canada to know 2 languages french and english?
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Second the paperwork.
This is where all immigrants experience the bulk of it.
We are asked to supply answers and proof to all kinds of questions. Fail to fill in a blank and you can not proceed.
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Do you think that there are few international criminals? If not by paperwork how can a bank protect from them?
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It took me 6 months to get a bank account. Some places outright said that it could not be done. Finally an attorney helped make it happen, but not without 8000 euro security and documents from my account in good standing in my home country. I had to prove my money was not "black" and not borrowed, and I cannot touch it again until after the account has been closed.
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French bureaucratic system is legendary, but what you want from country which introduced this word?
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I am fortunate because Canada is a country where France recognizes the banking system. Many poorer nations do not have this option. But then again, they don't have the money to "secure" the account either.
(But what makes angry is I made friends with a girl from Montreal. She received bank account in 30 minutes. In one of the banks I had already tried. She has a "recognized" accent and dialect and is only 1m55).
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Similar thing is in US with credit history, some of my immigrant friends told me that to have credit history you have to return credits and to have those credits to return you have to have credit history and it also is solvable only with big sum of money to place as deposit.
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Getting an apartment was were I experienced the next prejudice.
People would not rent to me. I would call and the apartment was always Un-available. But when my friend called, immediately afterwards, it was ALWAYS available for viewing. In the end a friend took me around and did the talking, but he says I still pay 50 euro more than I should each month.
It has been worse for my husband who is only half French Canadien. His dialect is Acadien and he does not even have a French last name.
I can list many incidents but fortunately they are more annoying for us than problematic. For a person with dark skin it must be much more difficult. And I have seen them being harrassed or rudely pushed aside on many occassions.I can not image being born here and still having to suffer this.
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I think it's just a difference in culture, may be they think that you are too "American"?
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Do not ever forget that the true French have a way of "not seeing" anything they don't want to see or like. There is no official segregation in France and Rosa Parks wouldn't have made an impact because many of the "vrai Francais, prefer to drive or take a taxi cab.
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What are Rosa Parks? |
I'm not sure why you are dismissing her opionions. As an American, I'm enlightened to learn that she felt this way in France, even as a French white woman. I wouldn't have imagined that a white female would be treated differently for being too tall or having a different accent -- but she has proof in that her friend (who is apparently not too tall, or obviously foreign) has been treated differently than her, assuming both are equally charming.
Regarding your comment on banking and international criminals -- really now....do you think that explains why it took them 6 months to give her account? Assuming, that Kelly does not have any type of a criminal background? Does this country assume guilt until proven innocent?
Rosa Parks -- she is a remarkable individual who changed American civil rights history by standing up for her rights to enjoy the priviledges of life;same as her fellow (white) Americans -- rights which should have never been taken away in ther first place. She just very recently passed away. It would be worth your time to read up on her a bit.
I ended up on this forum to read up on the latest new on the riots to see if Paris is safe to visit -- but the attitudes expressed in this thread are not making it particularly enticing, regardless of the rioting. |
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| Kelly2 wrote: |
| Gauloise wrote: |
| The biggest culprits are all those politicians who have brought into my beautiful country all these hordes of non-European immigrants. The true goal of this immigration is to replace the native French population who has a low birth rate by all these blacks and Muslims. This has nothing to do with unemployment and poverty; it is blackmail, an attempt to gain more power against the French and turn the country, my country into a dump for the Third World. White peoples are on their way to extinction if things go on like this. We cannot compete with big families from outside Europe coming here to reproduce like rabbits. I blame all the so-called mainstream politicians in the Western world for orchestrating the massive arrival of foreigners we never wanted in the first place; the white race ("European") is not reproducing itself. Look at Canadians and Americans: their countries are based on the destruction of Native Peoples. Multiculturalism is a destructive idea: it means less and less for the natives. These politicians have all pursued this madness, they have an agenda: the extermination of the old Celtic tribes native to Europe. France should be for the French, Iraq for the Iraqis, etc... Population replacement, a WHITE genocide is happening all over the Western world. Do White peoples have enough guts to defend their countries? We have hair and eye colours no other race has. It does not mean superiority, it means we are more "fragile". Yes, it is a race issue, I mean, will the Europeans everywhere in the world survive this demographic aggression of unprecedented scale? Blame the politicians who made it easier and easier to migrate into the belly of Europe, blame the voters for not seeing the truth. I am unemployed and I do not burn cars. I offer my sympathy to my suffering compatriots. You can contact me: tellthetruthtoeveryone@yahoo.com |
I like your email address. "Tell the Truth to Everyone."
You see I'm from North America and we tend to not call it the "Truth" but a meeting of the Klu Klux Klan. |
Finally! Someone with some sense who has actually called this tirade for what it is - a load of racist, right wing bullshit. Well said Kelly2.
The people who are rioting are people who were born in France, and have French nationality but are shoved to the sidelines of French society. France simply refuses to accept that these issues exist, as their 'colour blind' policy on national census etc states that you cannot ask someone there ethnic background. Very nice in theory, but it is literally a case of refusing to face up to the fact that France has a large Muslim population, along with other ethnic and religious minorities and if they are rioting, it is not because they are a violent people who enjoying causing criminal damage, but it is in anger at the way they are being treated by French society. It is the only way that they can make themselves heard, as they have absolutely no representation politically, socially etc. I'm not condoning these actions, but you have to sympathise with the sentiment behind it. France cannot keep on ignoring its cultutral diversity by trying to homogenise everyone into being 'French'. In fact, France's cultural diversity is unique, and should be embraced and celebrated, not quashed and ignored. So there. |
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french do not have kids (only dogs) (contrary to nature behavior)
like most of europeans.
thats why france need people from other countries.
your pride will take you to the dissappearance |
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